Curse

Ashley Twig · Jul 29, 2005, 09:23 AM // 09:23

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Originally Posted by Kazahana

i dunno if i hacked/keylogged to get annother persons acct i would strip it completely its kinda odd hes only missing the platemail

That sort of behavior would directly point at hacking.
If hackers just steal 1 item here, 1 item there, it looks like the players fault.

What happens if you forget your password?
Can you have it resent to your eMail account?
If so, it's probably plain-text and readable for everybody who traces the network.

kg_lildude1 · Jul 29, 2005, 09:40 AM // 09:40

1. change password, it is always best to make a password that follows these guidelines

guidelines-
1. password is at least 10 characters long and has at least 2 capital letters, 2 lowercase letters, 4 numbers, and 2 special characters

example (don't use)
HH03ei27(#
clearly this is a harder password to just blatently guess

if you can't remember such a password, and you don't want to get keylogged, go into a word program and create 30+ fake passwords, and put yours in a random spot, after that just copy it from there to the login, and you don't have to worry about getting keylogged cause all they will see is ctrl + c, i also suggest you encrypt/hide the file in a place only you will know, that is if you are on a shared computer,

for compu-geeks like me and my friends, well lets just say a hacker will have a hard time guessing my 150 character long password when it's written nowhere except my head ^_^

Tactical-Dillusions · Jul 29, 2005, 11:13 AM // 11:13

Ashley twig said it for me.

If i was a thief, i would take little bits so not to draw attention to myself...the odd thing is, why the platemail which is likely to be a highly prized inventory item.

Hack bots stealing random items?

nostra · Jul 29, 2005, 11:55 AM // 11:55

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Originally Posted by Van the Warrior

i have

15k Ascalon (hammer sup vig sup abs)
15k Dragon (unruned)
15k Gladiator (axe sup vig sup abs)
15k Platemail (sword sup vig sup abs)

One thing I remember from the good old Diablo II: whenever you get some really good stuff, be quiet or some hackers might want to steal it from your account, and if they're any good at hacking, they will succeed.

For this reason, I would stop telling everybody that there are another 2 sup vig and 2 sup abs to steal from your account. I might be paranoid, but I just wouldn't do it.

nostra

noblepaladin · Jul 29, 2005, 01:40 PM // 13:40

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Originally Posted by nostra

One thing I remember from the good old Diablo II: whenever you get some really good stuff, be quiet or some hackers might want to steal it from your account, and if they're any good at hacking, they will succeed.

For this reason, I would stop telling everybody that there are another 2 sup vig and 2 sup abs to steal from your account. I might be paranoid, but I just wouldn't do it.

nostra

Hackers would most likely go to the sell forum and try to crack the accounts of those people selling 800K fellblades.

Algren Cole · Jul 29, 2005, 02:12 PM // 14:12

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Originally Posted by kg_lildude1

1. change password, it is always best to make a password that follows these guidelines

guidelines-
1. password is at least 10 characters long and has at least 2 capital letters, 2 lowercase letters, 4 numbers, and 2 special characters

example (don't use)
HH03ei27(#
clearly this is a harder password to just blatently guess

if you can't remember such a password, and you don't want to get keylogged, go into a word program and create 30+ fake passwords, and put yours in a random spot, after that just copy it from there to the login, and you don't have to worry about getting keylogged cause all they will see is ctrl + c, i also suggest you encrypt/hide the file in a place only you will know, that is if you are on a shared computer,

for compu-geeks like me and my friends, well lets just say a hacker will have a hard time guessing my 150 character long password when it's written nowhere except my head ^_^

is all of this really necessary for protecting your home computer? I've seen less strict guidelines for NASA missile control...

btw...if you're guessing someones password...you aren't a hacker.

kg_lildude1 · Jul 29, 2005, 02:21 PM // 14:21

1. i think it's neccessary, and many companies and organizations require this for their employee's passwords.

2. if a hacker/cracker or anyone else steals/strips/disables your account because your password was "cookiemonster" or "Fudgepop" or any other rediculus password then i'll just point my finger at you and say "i told you so" or "haha"

btw anyone trying to gain access to your account/personal info/data that does not belong there, is same as a burglar breaking into your house;

another BTW, all government computer, yes that includes "nasa mission control", as you put it, requires the same kind of password i mentioned,

passwords are something that you should be keen on being the only one knowing, i made my passwords incredibly hard (150+ character) after several incidents involving several games, i'll mention that below

Diablo2X- i had full acc all with lvl 70's-80's, a couple 90's
i'm one of the gamers who doesn't pay for items in the game with real money,
so i EARN all my items

i had each set for every class, but my ik wouldn't glow

i had the best uniq items for every class

i had 50+ rare runes

all of the chars i had were basically mules to hold everything, then one day it got hacked, lost it all and quit the game forever

outwar.com - again, i'm one of the gamers who doesn't pay for ingame items with real money

first account, had the best items you could get without paying for them, then it gets hacked

second account, i started over and starting making points(the stuff you buy for $) by selling ingame items to noob players who just buy points, gets hacked after third account

third account, my friend from my previous 2 accounts gave me one of his extras, i changed all the info of course, then i do the same as the second acc, and get hacked by sum dickhead who i even know his screenname/and i.p. address, i reported him on my second account, and guess what the staff told me? "i am sorry but we need your credit card to validate" that this was your account, when they tell you when you sign up to fill in your address and info, they can't use that can they? noooo, they need your credit card, thus a huge downside to anyone who doesn't pay for a supposedly free game.

but thats ok, i made a 4th and 5th account which with a long and tuff password have yet to be hacked/items stolen/wierd things happen w/ account

i quit and gave them to my friend on the game

lesson? don't play a F2P game that really is a P2P game and it's full of bull**** like 100 points = 5$ when the good stuff costs like 2500 points which = 125$ for an ingame item which you will probably get hacked for

hehe i kinda changed subject halfway thru but still my point is that your password should not be easily guessed, otherwise you deserve whatever happens to your account, which is basically advertising, come get my stuff, its a clearance sale, all items cost 0$ and you can walk off with them!

the equivalent of my password -> account is = to me locking my x-box up with a 100 foot long chain then tossing it in a 10 feet thick titanium vault then lowering the vault 100 stories below the ground, then moving horizontally into a second vault surrounded by 50 feet thick steel plating with 1 foot of compress titanium every 10 feet

Algren Cole · Jul 29, 2005, 02:35 PM // 14:35

1. it was a simple joke.

2. no personal computer needs to be locked up tighter than watergate

3. no government password is ever stored in a file on the network for which the password is valid.

4. he doesn't need to go to these extremes to secure his home computer....he's running windows and anyone with a brain isn't going to bother with passwords when they break into his machine.

5. most good keyloggers log clipboard pastes/copies/cuts.

6. NASA computers don't have passwords...they have keycard logins.

7. what world are you living in that any application allows 150+ characters?

Santanus_Perro · Jul 29, 2005, 02:49 PM // 14:49

Quick question--how do you have multiple runes on your armor? I thought you can only have one rune per piece of armor.

kg_lildude1 · Jul 29, 2005, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by Algren Cole

1. it was a simple joke.

2. no personal computer needs to be locked up tighter than watergate
depends on who's computer it is, i have gone paranoid and mine is like cheyenne mountain complex

3. no government password is ever stored in a file on the network for which the password is valid.
i merely stated this if you cannot remember your password, i know government computers don't do this, i work on one, and to even get one, you have to read huge manual, basically don't write your password near the computer/on the computer, memorize it

4. he doesn't need to go to these extremes to secure his home computer....he's running windows and anyone with a brain isn't going to bother with passwords when they break into his machine.
my passwords aren't for windows, i mean jesus could hack into windows, but harder for game accounts

5. most good keyloggers log clipboard pastes/copies/cuts.
If your stupid enough to download one, you should be smart enough to have a anti-virus/spyware sweeper, if you have no security programs on your computer i don't know how you even lasted this long, the average computer without security gets hacked in 3-6 minutes

6. NASA computers don't have passwords...they have keycard logins.

actually they require them both, but most of the time they use the keycards, however that makes it a HUGE amount easier for someone to gain illegal access, just steal the card, and thats like taking their password.....

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Originally Posted by kg_lildude1

for compu-geeks like me and my friends, well lets just say a hacker will have a hard time guessing my 150 character long password when it's written nowhere except my head ^_^

Lorelei · Jul 29, 2005, 03:00 PM // 15:00

150 character long? If you are compu-geek, you know it is unnecessarily too long

Algren Cole · Jul 29, 2005, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Lorelei

150 character long? If you are compu-geek, you know it is unnecessarily too long

and also not possible....i've never in my life ever heard of an application that allowed 150+ character passwords.

A brute force cracker making 200 attempts a second would take almost a millenia to check every possible 16 character password...I believe this is long enough. A good password is only useful against crackers...hackers don't give a damn what your password is..they'll never have to enter it.

kg_lildude1 · Jul 29, 2005, 03:05 PM // 15:05

a password can never be too long it could be an entire book or novel if i wanted, but that would make logging in a very long and tedious process

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Originally Posted by algren cole

A brute force cracking making 200 attempts a second would take almost a millenia to check every possible 16 character password...I believe this is long enough. A good password is only useful against crackers...hackers don't give a damn what your password is..they'll never have to enter it.

1. hackers aren't malicious they are only interested in free knowledge for everyone
2. crackers are the malicious ones that you have to worry about

it depends on the processing power they have the brute force running, also i like it when games make it so that if you fail the password 3 times, 15 minute game disable, fail 3 times more after, 30 minutes... etc. etc.

if it take a millenia for a 16 character password, then by the time they figure my password by bruting, that crackers whole generation of family will be dead

Algren Cole · Jul 29, 2005, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by kg_lildude1

a password can never be too long it could be an entire book or novel if i wanted, but that would make logging in a very long and tedious process

this is the first time you've used a computer isn't it?

kg_lildude1 · Jul 29, 2005, 03:13 PM // 15:13

yes it is possible for some games, but you won't be seeing what you are typing, so if you make a mistake it just sux 4 u

no, i'm not a newb to computers, my dad was an IT instructor and i learned everything from him, plus i have anti-hacker protection ^_^

actuallya my anti-hacker stuff is pretty funny, a siren on my computer goes off and i hear, intruder detected intruder detected, my computer then traces the intruder to their real location no matter how much server hopping they may be doing, and gives the location to the local authorities/police

the last person to do this got arrested

Algren Cole · Jul 29, 2005, 03:17 PM // 15:17

I don't want to drag this out any longer....as the mods will shut down this thread for flaming...and the OP has a legitimate question..

but seriously...wtf is anti-hacker protection?

kg_lildude1 · Jul 29, 2005, 03:22 PM // 15:22

several programs that detect external intruders trying to gain access to the computer, and block them from doing so

several other programs for when a hacker/cracker gets INTO your computer, you initiate the program, or set it to auto initiate and it sends a virus back to the hacker/cracker and completely destroys their computer

i like option 2, because generally its more fun to see a hacker get hacked for trying to hack into a comp, wow what a mouthful, lol

Diomedes · Jul 29, 2005, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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but seriously...wtf is anti-hacker protection?

Clearly not what he thinks it is or as great as he makes it sound. If things like that were possible, you wouldn't hear about large businesses spending millions on security and skill getting hacked.

-Diomedes

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several other programs for when a hacker/cracker gets INTO your computer, you initiate the program, or set it to auto initiate and it sends a virus back to the hacker/cracker and completely destroys their computer

i like option 2, because generally its more fun to see a hacker get hacked for trying to hack into a comp, wow what a mouthful, lol

Awesome, so now you've admitted to an illegal activity. You do know that someone hacking your computer does not give you the right to destroy their property. Do you know you're legally responsible for that? I highly doubt your story.

-Diomedes

Numa Pompilius · Jul 29, 2005, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Much of that kind of hacking is 'soft' hacking, though - for instance calling everyone in a company you can find the phone number of, claiming to be "computer support" investigating a problem, and asking them for their password. A surprising number of people will give their password if simply asked.

Use several passwords. Have one junk password for all sites which do not matter (e.g. download sites which require registering), one decent password for ONLY trusted and reasonably important sites (e.g. email and guildwars), and one EACH for critical sites, like your bank.

A good password should be long. It should contain mixed case, letters, spaces, and if the program allows it why not special characters like @£$€.
Random passwords are hopeless to remember, so make one by following some easy rule in abbreviating a sentence you know by heart, e.g. take the three first letters out of each entry in your name, adress + post number. That's actually quite secure.

Algren Cole · Jul 29, 2005, 03:40 PM // 15:40

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Originally Posted by Diomedes

Clearly not what he thinks it is or as great as he makes it sound. If things like that were possible, you wouldn't hear about large businesses spending millions on security and skill getting hacked.

-Diomedes

if what he's claiming to have on his computer actually existed....I'd be out of a job

Numa Pompilius: the art that you described as soft hacking was made popular in the late 80's early 90's by Kevin Mitnick...it's called Social Engineering. Walk the walk and talk the talk and people will believe what you tell them. You are correct, it's surprising how often this technique works. Generally the technique is now used to gain information that will lead you to the knowledge required to break into a system...and not simply asking for a password.

every password I have for everything is completely chosen at random. and then memorized...i.e. my guild wars password(prior to this post ofcourse

) was jy56gt1hg.

A great technique for remembering passwords is the dreaded "leetspeak". Take a word or look around your computer room for something lying around. a password as simple as h4rdd121v3 is easy enough for you to remember as it's simply "harddrive" in "leetspeak"...however, cracking this password would be nearly impossible by any conventional means.